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	<title>Comments on: What DO they need? Part III</title>
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		<title>By: Preparing the KIPPsters &#124; The Chancellor's New Clothes</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Preparing the KIPPsters &#124; The Chancellor's New Clothes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debate over the KIPP schools rages on in the educational [...]</description>
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		<title>By: andthebrain</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>andthebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: When are we, as a society, going to work on empowering minority communities so that they don&#039;t need elitist reporters, public officials, and entrepreneurs like Wendy Kopp to talk about what they think that minorities need?  It&#039;s bizarre and insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: When are we, as a society, going to work on empowering minority communities so that they don&#8217;t need elitist reporters, public officials, and entrepreneurs like Wendy Kopp to talk about what they think that minorities need?  It&#8217;s bizarre and insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem with making broad statements about &quot;inputs&quot; at KIPP.  There is no &quot;KIPP way&quot; of teaching any subject.  There are some schools that use traditional reading programs, probably, and there are some that use workshop.  What KIPP &quot;mandates&quot; is results, not inputs.

I&#039;ve observed reading classes at some KIPP schools that were, to my mind, perhaps even &quot;over-focused&quot; on comprehension, and that you would probably love.  

KIPP schools are non-profit.  They have special education students - in some cases, more than the district has - they have their parents sign an agreement but they have no consequence if the parent doesn&#039;t follow it.  It&#039;s just another tool to help parents understand their expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem with making broad statements about &#8220;inputs&#8221; at KIPP.  There is no &#8220;KIPP way&#8221; of teaching any subject.  There are some schools that use traditional reading programs, probably, and there are some that use workshop.  What KIPP &#8220;mandates&#8221; is results, not inputs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve observed reading classes at some KIPP schools that were, to my mind, perhaps even &#8220;over-focused&#8221; on comprehension, and that you would probably love.  </p>
<p>KIPP schools are non-profit.  They have special education students &#8211; in some cases, more than the district has &#8211; they have their parents sign an agreement but they have no consequence if the parent doesn&#8217;t follow it.  It&#8217;s just another tool to help parents understand their expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Socol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Socol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry for being cranky. I&#039;m an impatient sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for being cranky. I&#8217;m an impatient sort.</p>
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		<title>By: alicemercer</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>alicemercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ira, I do moderation to prevent SPAM. Once you comment on a blog I&#039;ve set up, you will automatically be &quot;approved&quot;. That&#039;s why your comments here are going up automatically.  Sorry if that is too controlling. I&#039;ve approved your comment there, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ira, I do moderation to prevent SPAM. Once you comment on a blog I&#8217;ve set up, you will automatically be &#8220;approved&#8221;. That&#8217;s why your comments here are going up automatically.  Sorry if that is too controlling. I&#8217;ve approved your comment there, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: speedchange</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>speedchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the &quot;In Practice&quot; blog - comment moderation sort of eliminates the possibilities of conversation. A bit too much control over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the &#8220;In Practice&#8221; blog &#8211; comment moderation sort of eliminates the possibilities of conversation. A bit too much control over there.</p>
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		<title>By: speedchange</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>speedchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>worth reading as we consider this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-stager/the-surge-against-first-g_b_100456.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worth reading as we consider this&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-stager/the-surge-against-first-g_b_100456.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-stager/the-surge-against-first-g_b_100456.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: speedchange</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>speedchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, assume that I oppose charters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, assume that I oppose charters</p>
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		<title>By: speedchange</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>speedchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note: Reading sure looked scripted to me, and sounds scripted when the teachers talk about it. KIPP has made a decision, not unlike that made by the NYC schools, that reading is a skill independent of content. Their goal seems to be remediation through basic word skills and very basic grammar skills. There is no embrace of the technologies which could improve access to more sophisticated, meaningful, and/or relevant texts. Time is focused on decoding rather than comprehension, and when they work on comprehension, it is surface, short-answer stuff. Again, not much different than your typical NYC middle school, or any other school operating with the lowest expectations.

As for your thoughts re: parent requirements. This is what&#039;s wrong - essentially - with charters. Now, Socrates will assume that  oppose charters, which is absolutely untrue. My son graduated from a Charter high school, and I coached there. But it was an urban, largely &quot;walking distance&quot; charter, a non-profit, with lottery admissions. But the majority of charters I see in the Midwest are none of those. They require parent transportation, they divert money to corporate profit and management fees, they strongly discourage special education students. In other words, they sub-divide the student population once more. Now, among those with no cultural capital, schools such as KIPP Academies move to block those children who lack &quot;parental capital.&quot; 

Is it progress to divide the underclass and create an American &quot;untouchable&quot; class? KIPP&#039;s backers think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note: Reading sure looked scripted to me, and sounds scripted when the teachers talk about it. KIPP has made a decision, not unlike that made by the NYC schools, that reading is a skill independent of content. Their goal seems to be remediation through basic word skills and very basic grammar skills. There is no embrace of the technologies which could improve access to more sophisticated, meaningful, and/or relevant texts. Time is focused on decoding rather than comprehension, and when they work on comprehension, it is surface, short-answer stuff. Again, not much different than your typical NYC middle school, or any other school operating with the lowest expectations.</p>
<p>As for your thoughts re: parent requirements. This is what&#8217;s wrong &#8211; essentially &#8211; with charters. Now, Socrates will assume that  oppose charters, which is absolutely untrue. My son graduated from a Charter high school, and I coached there. But it was an urban, largely &#8220;walking distance&#8221; charter, a non-profit, with lottery admissions. But the majority of charters I see in the Midwest are none of those. They require parent transportation, they divert money to corporate profit and management fees, they strongly discourage special education students. In other words, they sub-divide the student population once more. Now, among those with no cultural capital, schools such as KIPP Academies move to block those children who lack &#8220;parental capital.&#8221; </p>
<p>Is it progress to divide the underclass and create an American &#8220;untouchable&#8221; class? KIPP&#8217;s backers think so.</p>
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		<title>By: alicemercer</title>
		<link>http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/05/10/what-do-they-need-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>alicemercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to ask both of you Socrates, and Ira, to hop over to &lt;a href=&quot;http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/05/11/soft-bigotry-of-low-expectations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In Practice&lt;/a&gt; and think about commenting on a piece about GATE services in Title One schools. I think it has some relationship to what&#039;s being discussed here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to ask both of you Socrates, and Ira, to hop over to <a href="http://inpractice.edublogs.org/2008/05/11/soft-bigotry-of-low-expectations/" rel="nofollow">In Practice</a> and think about commenting on a piece about GATE services in Title One schools. I think it has some relationship to what&#8217;s being discussed here.</p>
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